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Nicholas

Matt. A very intriguing post indeed. I think you touch at the heart of what a lot of mainstream American culture - and gay culture itself - struggle with when it comes to homosexuality: how to identify the individuals beyond their orientations. Because that's what a gay person is, right? A PERSON...who happens to be gay. The literature - and art - that you speak of, instead chooses to see these gays not as homosexuals, but as people. It's something that I myself struggle with from time to time. For so long we have been told that sexuality is what defines a gay or lesbian individual, but what Chabon and Annie Proulx have a clear and beautiful understanding of is that sexuality is not a definer of a person, but rather the person defines sexuality.

M

Nick I think that is exactly what I was attempting to say but you managed to say it more eloquently and succinctly ;-) It's a tough subject and an interesting juxtaposition is something like "Queer as Folk" which we certainly have been indulging in but seems to take the opposite end of the spectrum; sexuality as raw and defining which has always been one of my problems with the show. Yet I continue to watch it.

I've never considered one of my top defining characteristics to be the fact that I'm gay. In fact I would probably put that rather near the bottom. But I guess I can see why, as a culture, many men choose to use that as a defining characteristic as a strange overcompensation for the repression that we all seem to go through at some point. Now I'm really rambling and need to sit down and gather my thoughts. Thanks for the beautiful comment though!

Meg

Hi. Stumbled upon your blog recently and this post reminded me of an old NPR interview with Chabon (from just after he won the Pulitzer) in which he talked briefly about the fact that people would often assume he was gay and would, at times, be upset to learn that he wasn't.

I think that happens less frequently now because his wife, who is a writer herself, accidently stirred up a controversy of the go-on-Oprah-and-be-attacked-by-crazy-women variety a few years back. She wrote an essay that appeared in the New York Times in which she talked about loving him more than she loves their children and it would seem a lot of people found this rather awful.

Anyway, if you're interested, the NPR interview is here: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1122285
The part where he talks about readers--and even journalists--assuming that he's gay is toward the very end. Last 4 or 5 minutes.

Rob

There was an article about his sexuality a couple of years ago too, iirc. I've flipped through Adventures, if only because my alma matter is the place he got his MA at(Pittsburg was his masters thesis) and the English dept is gaga over him and his work. I liked it, but it wasn't my cup of tea per say. Right now, I'm about half-way through American Gods by Neil Gaiman. That's an excellent book.

jennifer

don't you love it when something so personal to our individual identity is portrayed in a real way instead of resorting to stereotypes? For me, I find it so difficult to find Asians in art/literature/tv/theater without the usual cliches...we're good at math, geeks, or do kung fu. that's why I was so amazed that in the Harry Potter series, Cho Chang is portrayed without any mention of her ethnicity or an accent. amazing! I give major props to J.K. Rowling...and Chabon.

jennifer

don't you love it when something so personal to our individual identity is portrayed in a real way instead of resorting to stereotypes? For me, I find it so difficult to find Asians in art/literature/tv/theater without the usual cliches...we're good at math, geeks, or do kung fu. that's why I was so amazed that in the Harry Potter series, Cho Chang is portrayed without any mention of her ethnicity or an accent. amazing! I give major props to J.K. Rowling...and Chabon.

M

Meg! Thanks for commenting and the link to that interview, I will have to check it out. I am sure many people assume he is gay but if anything, I admire him more because he's not. I know it doesn't matter either way, but it's nice to see gay PEOPLE portrayed rather than gay CHARACTERS.

That's interesting what you bring up about "Potter" Jennifer! I had never really thought about that, but I guess that's maybe because Rowling did such a good job of not making it her defining characteristic! Even though cliches are usually cliches because they are somewhat true, it's nice to find authors who don't portray race or sexuality by those limited terms.

Larry

Two of the most interesting novels with gay characters I know are these:

1) Paul T. Rogers's Saul's Book. A very powerful work about "Sinbad," a teenage Puerto Rican prostitute working the Times Square area, and the older man who takes him under his wing and both loves and betrays him. Not, as they say, for the squeamish. But the book (which will be Rogers's first and last, since Rogers was murdered by the lover on whom he modeled the teenage hustler) is not just a story about life in the sex trade; it is also an extended meditation on love, trust, betrayal, redemption, and God. Rogers by this one masterly, little-known work alone comes closest in American literature to the work of Jean Genet.

2) Brian Malloy's The Year of Ice. Totally different. The narrator, an attractive, not-too-bright Irish Catholic teenager growing up in 1970's Minneapolis, is a gay kid who is as troubled by his mother's apparent suicide as by his own sexual fantasies. By making the kid at once homophobic himself and something of a bully, and at the same time surprisingly sympathetic, Malloy achieves an unusual balancing act.

Both are well worth reading.

(BTW: Are HTML tags no longer supported in comments here?)

jakey dubs

hey its jake. i am half way through and havent gotten around to finishing it yet, but its so great actually and so weird that i recognize everything about pittsburgh. i am so excited to see sienna as jane in the movie!!!!

M

Jake! I didn't realize they are making a movie! when does it come out? Who is playing Art and Arthur?!

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